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incident that doesn't involve aliens at

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the cleary he turned over to my father

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welcome to podcast ufo for our live show

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hello and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host we have a great show

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for you tonight

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we have an in studio guest our first one

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cadu of the documentary the bridgewater

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that's been years of ufo sightings and

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we are right now as a crow flies or

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ufo flies no i'm not going to go there

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and aaron is coming up right after the

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and uh one thing i want to say since

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new listeners and i want to do a quick

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jake jenna can you believe all those js

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and orion a thank you all thank you

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thank you for

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listening and come back our

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amateur astronomer andy fleming will be

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he made way tonight for a special guest

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at a ufo journalist and playwright

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ryan sprague and he's live at the 2014

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international ufo congress in scottsdale

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arizona what's going on ryan

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hey martin so glad to be with you man um

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it has been a whirlwind

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my friend i uh i left new york city last

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maybe 85 so um i'm absolutely

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so yeah we just wrapped up our first day

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uh with a bunch of fantastic speakers

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which is uh closed off to the press but

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anyone who's had abduction experiences

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uh get together and uh get to tell their

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that's on every isn't it every morning

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some sort of semblance to what is

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and that is uh bennett didn't i see

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jeffrey bennett that's on friday pardon

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this topic uh at a ufo conference you

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uh into one cohesive thing and you know

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mutual good friend richard dolan uh shot

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so much information just this first day

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what this phenomenon might be now make

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of course i will make sure i get that up

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on your facebook page immediately

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thanks so much for for being on and

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my pleasure have a great show martin all

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aaron welcome in studio thank you very

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much for having me yeah this is great to

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actually look at someone while i'm

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recording you said this is the first

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it's an honor

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said and done yeah yeah and so

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cellawalls.com and he had a large

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couple weeks before the premiere

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now where did you gather all this

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information uh

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some of the information for this film

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was based on the script for the original

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film but the original film was only a

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third the length of this film

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so that's where manny really came into

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play he had been researching the

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bridgewater triangle for years

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had spent a lot of time in microfilm

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rooms pulling up old articles and had a

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lot of contacts in the area of different

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researchers

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and i had learned more more of the

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different researchers that are involved

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in

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were able to feature pretty much every

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major

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player when it comes to bridgewater

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triangle research in this one film

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now there's a museum that's actually in

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portland maine with some artifacts

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yeah the museum is run by

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internationally renowned cryptozoologist

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lauren coleman and he actually came up

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with the concept of the bridgewater

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triangle back in the late 70s

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he had moved from california to

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massachusetts put his a to the ground

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for

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strange happenings as he did everywhere

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that he lived and kept getting

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reports of odd occurrences down in

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southeastern mass and he kind of

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pinpointed the locations on the map and

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came up with this concept of the

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bridgewater triangle which

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was kind of a take on the bermuda

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triangle which was a hot topic at the

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time

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and 30 years later it's just sparked

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this phenomenon along the way and

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more and more people know about the

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bridgewater triangle more more people

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are researching the bridgewater triangle

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and a lot of reports have come out of

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the area and whether or not it's really

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a triangle is up for debate you know

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the borders are disputed amongst

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different researchers and whether it is

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a triangle or not but

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lauren has since moved to portland maine

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and has the international cryptozoology

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museum up there where he has

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artifacts and things related to

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cryptozoology and gets you know people

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to come

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to his museum year round oh i see lee is

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on the uh

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is on the chat in the chat room on the

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chat room in the are you on a chat room

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or

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in the chat remote exactly okay and he

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wants to know the the dimensions of the

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triangle and

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you know just go ahead and point out

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some landmark towns

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sure the northern apex of the triangle

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is a town of is the town of abington

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massachusetts

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the southeastern apex of the triangle is

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the town of freetown massachusetts and

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the southwestern apex is

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rehoboth massachusetts and then it

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encompasses all of the towns in between

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and in the end it's about a 200 square

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mile region 200 square mile

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uh-huh now um of course is the uf

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ufo show but we every once in a while we

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do talk that there seems to be all kinds

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of things happening

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where there's ufos cited you know there

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may be ufo sighting

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this topic has come up quite a bit i had

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nick

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redford on a little while ago and it

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came up that you know people see orbs

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they see uh bigfoot sightings sometimes

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the same place they're seeing a ufo

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phenomenon and

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you know it's kind of follows but

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there's a lot more that went on than

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this why don't you go into the different

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types of paranormal

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things that have happened well within

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the bridgewater triangle there are

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series of different locations that are

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known for different things and often

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seen as the heart of the bridgewater

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triangle is this a large wetland

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that is found in uh the towns of

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bridgewater west bridgewater

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norton easton raynham it kind of skirts

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into all those towns it's called the

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hawker mock swamp and it's the second

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largest wetland in new england

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and that location is known especially

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for

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cryptozoological sightings or you know

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bigfoot sightings thunderbird sightings

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uh and you know phantom dogs phantom

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pumas and cougars and all sorts of crazy

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things like that giant snakes giant

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turtles

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you name it it's been seen in the

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hawkenbox swamp but then along with that

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you have a lot of ufo sightings in that

401
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region as well

402
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especially around an area that's

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surrounded by the swamp called the

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raynham taunton dog track which is now

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they don't actually do dog racing in

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massachusetts anymore but the track is

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still there

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and there's a lot of strange occurrences

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that happen in the skies above that

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00:14:12,629 --> 00:14:09,360
region

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and um so you have the hawkmock swamp

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the second most well-known location in

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the bridgewater triangles in the south

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eastern apex in the town of freetown

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there's a large state preserve there

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called the freetown fall of a state

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forest

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now when you get down into that region

419
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you have some paranormal reports in that

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area

421
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of a lot of native american related

422
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occurrences or related to native

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american legend

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uh there's alleged sightings of these

425
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four foot tall

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troll-like creatures called pukwudgies

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that are reported down in the freetown

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state forest region

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and also in this freetown state forest

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the area has a

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a history of an elevated level of

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criminal activity

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uh freetown's a sleepy town of about 9

434
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000 people but when you get into

435
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some of the things that have happened in

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the freetown state forest it's just way

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off the scale for

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a region of that that population

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and a lot of researchers theorized that

440
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the negative energy of the bridgewater

441
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triangle

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is what draws this criminal element into

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the freetown state forest in the

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southeastern portion of the triangle

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yes i i spoke to someone i shared in

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this office with actually

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about you know the bridgewater triangle

448
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i mentioned to him and he goes oh

449
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like he he he knew about it he said

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there's a lot of things going on i said

451
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like what

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he goes uh murders and you know

453
00:15:29,430 --> 00:15:28,560
all kinds of uh abductions not the alien

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kind but

455
00:15:32,710 --> 00:15:30,800
you know kind of strange things

456
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happening there yeah and and like i said

457
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it's kind of

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by region and then in the southwestern

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apex you have the town of rehoboth which

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is known for

461
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a laundry list of ghost sightings that

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00:15:43,910 --> 00:15:42,079
have occurred through the years it's a

463
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very old colonial town one of the first

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settlements in the history of the united

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states

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and it has a very uh higher than average

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number of cemeteries within the borders

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00:15:52,230 --> 00:15:50,800
of this town

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and it's just a laundry like i said a

470
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laundry list of various ghost sightings

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00:15:58,230 --> 00:15:55,199
in rehoboth

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now the ufo sighting that the the sports

473
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casters

474
00:16:03,350 --> 00:16:01,839
yes can we talk about that because that

475
00:16:05,189 --> 00:16:03,360
that was an amazing that's a

476
00:16:07,110 --> 00:16:05,199
great ufo sight yeah that's probably the

477
00:16:08,870 --> 00:16:07,120
most famous ufo story to come out at the

478
00:16:10,230 --> 00:16:08,880
bridgewater triangle in the 30 years

479
00:16:12,230 --> 00:16:10,240
since lauren coleman we want to save

480
00:16:17,030 --> 00:16:12,240
that for the end of the show

481
00:16:19,430 --> 00:16:17,040
it's up to you it happened in 1979 the

482
00:16:21,509 --> 00:16:19,440
spring of 1979 which was a

483
00:16:22,470 --> 00:16:21,519
hot time for ufo sightings in that

484
00:16:25,350 --> 00:16:22,480
region

485
00:16:26,949 --> 00:16:25,360
uh two whdh news reporters named jerry

486
00:16:28,870 --> 00:16:26,959
lopes and steve spraja

487
00:16:30,550 --> 00:16:28,880
were heading to the raynham dog track

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after work for some drinks

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they got off of route 24 on the 106 exit

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and as they were coming off the exit

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steve spraja noticed a

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00:16:41,269 --> 00:16:39,440
large strange light approaching them

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00:16:42,949 --> 00:16:41,279
from just over the tree line

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00:16:44,389 --> 00:16:42,959
and it started to get closer and closer

495
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so they actually pulled the car over to

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the side of the road

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00:16:48,829 --> 00:16:47,759
and both of them claimed that this large

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home plate

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00:16:54,230 --> 00:16:52,480
shaped object flew just above the trees

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at a very slow pace

501
00:16:57,910 --> 00:16:55,759
steve spraja said it looked like it was

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about the size of seven a five seven

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00:17:02,870 --> 00:17:00,720
forty seven stacked wing to wing across

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00:17:03,749 --> 00:17:02,880
and it just slowly just passed right

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00:17:05,590 --> 00:17:03,759
overhead

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00:17:07,189 --> 00:17:05,600
and then just all of a sudden just took

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off and disappeared

508
00:17:10,870 --> 00:17:09,120
and it was like i said the shape of a

509
00:17:13,189 --> 00:17:10,880
baseball diamond home plate

510
00:17:13,990 --> 00:17:13,199
and for those of you in different

511
00:17:15,909 --> 00:17:14,000
countries that

512
00:17:17,350 --> 00:17:15,919
don't know what baseball is or play

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00:17:20,390 --> 00:17:17,360
baseball i should say

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00:17:23,429 --> 00:17:20,400
um it's like a sort of a triangle that's

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00:17:24,949 --> 00:17:23,439
uh rectangular boxed or something

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00:17:26,710 --> 00:17:24,959
it's it's like a yeah it's like a

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rectangle with one of the sides having a

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00:17:29,430 --> 00:17:28,240
triangle sprouting off of it i guess

519
00:17:32,390 --> 00:17:29,440
that's the best way you could

520
00:17:33,909 --> 00:17:32,400
yeah um there's probably some geometric

521
00:17:34,950 --> 00:17:33,919
form i just can't think of it right now

522
00:17:36,549 --> 00:17:34,960
but anyway

523
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and very large and there were other

524
00:17:40,230 --> 00:17:38,320
people that actually saw it and they

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drew exactly the same thing from miles

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00:17:43,909 --> 00:17:40,799
away

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00:17:45,669 --> 00:17:43,919
yeah the the not in not even that

528
00:17:47,510 --> 00:17:45,679
particular instance there was a lot of

529
00:17:50,310 --> 00:17:47,520
reports of that same object coming out

530
00:17:52,230 --> 00:17:50,320
of the region in the spring of 1979

531
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so the brockton enterprise started

532
00:17:54,789 --> 00:17:53,600
collecting all these stories from all

533
00:17:56,070 --> 00:17:54,799
these various eyewitnesses from

534
00:17:57,430 --> 00:17:56,080
different towns in the area that were

535
00:17:59,430 --> 00:17:57,440
seeing the same thing

536
00:18:01,830 --> 00:17:59,440
and their sketch artists came up with a

537
00:18:04,150 --> 00:18:01,840
drawing that looked exactly like what

538
00:18:05,029 --> 00:18:04,160
steve spraja and jerry lopes saw and

539
00:18:06,470 --> 00:18:05,039
they actually

540
00:18:07,830 --> 00:18:06,480
featured the drawing in the newspaper

541
00:18:08,470 --> 00:18:07,840
article which is actually shown in the

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film

543
00:18:12,150 --> 00:18:10,320
and steve sprague says this is exactly

544
00:18:13,669 --> 00:18:12,160
what i saw and actually steve sprezza

545
00:18:14,070 --> 00:18:13,679
has a little wooden model that he put

546
00:18:17,270 --> 00:18:14,080
together

547
00:18:19,669 --> 00:18:17,280
to represent what he saw wow yeah and

548
00:18:20,710 --> 00:18:19,679
the person sort of corroborated also

549
00:18:23,350 --> 00:18:20,720
that it was

550
00:18:24,789 --> 00:18:23,360
huge like several what did they say two

551
00:18:26,710 --> 00:18:24,799
or three football fields

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00:18:28,549 --> 00:18:26,720
yeah the second gentleman named ron

553
00:18:30,630 --> 00:18:28,559
baker had a site in the same craft in

554
00:18:32,070 --> 00:18:30,640
easton and he said it was about the size

555
00:18:33,590 --> 00:18:32,080
of two or three football fields put

556
00:18:35,750 --> 00:18:33,600
together but same description

557
00:18:36,710 --> 00:18:35,760
you know yeah so if this could be

558
00:18:38,710 --> 00:18:36,720
military

559
00:18:40,150 --> 00:18:38,720
i find it very hard to believe i did

560
00:18:41,430 --> 00:18:40,160
hear that

561
00:18:42,950 --> 00:18:41,440
one of the people said that they did

562
00:18:44,630 --> 00:18:42,960
hear like a humming noise as it was

563
00:18:45,909 --> 00:18:44,640
moving along that was ron baker yeah he

564
00:18:46,549 --> 00:18:45,919
claimed that he could hear some sort of

565
00:18:49,750 --> 00:18:46,559
an engine

566
00:18:53,029 --> 00:18:49,760
driving the craft uh what you know i

567
00:18:54,710 --> 00:18:53,039
i am not a paranormal researcher

568
00:18:56,070 --> 00:18:54,720
or even really a paranormal enthusiast

569
00:18:59,029 --> 00:18:56,080
i'm a filmmaker who

570
00:19:01,270 --> 00:18:59,039
found an interesting topic and i

571
00:19:02,870 --> 00:19:01,280
approached it from a very skeptical

572
00:19:05,110 --> 00:19:02,880
point of view i walked into this project

573
00:19:06,549 --> 00:19:05,120
probably 99 skeptic and i walked away

574
00:19:09,110 --> 00:19:06,559
from it still a 96

575
00:19:10,710 --> 00:19:09,120
skeptic but the sightings of this craft

576
00:19:12,310 --> 00:19:10,720
in this region was one of the stories

577
00:19:13,510 --> 00:19:12,320
that really made me kind of take a step

578
00:19:15,110 --> 00:19:13,520
back and say wow maybe there is

579
00:19:15,830 --> 00:19:15,120
something strange going on down in that

580
00:19:17,750 --> 00:19:15,840
region

581
00:19:19,909 --> 00:19:17,760
but what struck me is odd about the

582
00:19:20,950 --> 00:19:19,919
descriptions of this craft was how slow

583
00:19:23,590 --> 00:19:20,960
it was flying

584
00:19:25,110 --> 00:19:23,600
right you know for for a a craft that

585
00:19:27,669 --> 00:19:25,120
gets its lift from air

586
00:19:29,190 --> 00:19:27,679
from traveling air would be imagined it

587
00:19:31,190 --> 00:19:29,200
would be hard to imagine a craft

588
00:19:33,990 --> 00:19:31,200
traveling that slowly and still being

589
00:19:36,630 --> 00:19:34,000
able to to stay afloat you know

590
00:19:38,310 --> 00:19:36,640
now as a skeptic what makes you have the

591
00:19:40,950 --> 00:19:38,320
drive to to

592
00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:40,960
research as much as you do in this i

593
00:19:45,270 --> 00:19:41,760
i've

594
00:19:47,830 --> 00:19:45,280
spooky dark

595
00:19:49,510 --> 00:19:47,840
morbid topics i'm not necessarily a

596
00:19:50,470 --> 00:19:49,520
believer but i think it's it's fun and

597
00:19:53,190 --> 00:19:50,480
interesting

598
00:19:54,310 --> 00:19:53,200
and like i said it was a local subject

599
00:19:56,150 --> 00:19:54,320
it was accessible

600
00:19:57,590 --> 00:19:56,160
and i just found the topic interesting

601
00:19:58,870 --> 00:19:57,600
even if you don't necessarily believe

602
00:20:00,549 --> 00:19:58,880
all the stories

603
00:20:02,470 --> 00:20:00,559
it's interesting to dig a little deeper

604
00:20:04,390 --> 00:20:02,480
to figure out what's driving this then

605
00:20:05,830 --> 00:20:04,400
and why is this such a phenomenon in the

606
00:20:07,350 --> 00:20:05,840
area is it something about the human

607
00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:07,360
psyche or is it you know it

608
00:20:11,029 --> 00:20:08,480
you can go into so many different

609
00:20:11,750 --> 00:20:11,039
directions with it and i just was drawn

610
00:20:14,230 --> 00:20:11,760
to it and

611
00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:14,240
and that's why we put well that's why i

612
00:20:18,710 --> 00:20:16,559
was a part of this project

613
00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:18,720
now if you want to ask any questions you

614
00:20:21,990 --> 00:20:20,640
can oh i see someone just joined us hey

615
00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:22,000
bobby

616
00:20:26,310 --> 00:20:23,600
you can join us in the chat room and

617
00:20:28,549 --> 00:20:26,320
that's at podcastufo.com

618
00:20:30,070 --> 00:20:28,559
or i'm going to let you call in and

619
00:20:32,070 --> 00:20:30,080
because i'm face to face here

620
00:20:36,470 --> 00:20:32,080
it can be easy to take a phone call

621
00:20:41,149 --> 00:20:36,480
that's 603 603-967-4030

622
00:20:44,630 --> 00:20:43,669
967-4030 and we'll also let you skype if

623
00:20:47,110 --> 00:20:44,640
you'd like to

624
00:20:51,990 --> 00:20:47,120
and the skype name is marty willis

625
00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:52,000
that's m-a-r-t-w-i-l-l-i-s

626
00:20:57,990 --> 00:20:55,360
so let's talk about the ancient past

627
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:58,000
as far back as is known in the area if

628
00:21:02,789 --> 00:21:00,240
there was anything going on

629
00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:02,799
well the earliest reported sighting of a

630
00:21:05,110 --> 00:21:03,760
ufo

631
00:21:06,710 --> 00:21:05,120
in the bridgewater trunk which was

632
00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:06,720
probably the first reported art

633
00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:09,280
occurrence in that region was in 1760

634
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:11,120
uh the colonials claimed that there was

635
00:21:14,470 --> 00:21:12,880
a sphere of fire in the sky

636
00:21:15,990 --> 00:21:14,480
almost matched the description of like a

637
00:21:17,510 --> 00:21:16,000
meteor or like uh you a

638
00:21:19,510 --> 00:21:17,520
comet or something like that wait a

639
00:21:22,950 --> 00:21:19,520
minute that's that's before roswell

640
00:21:23,190 --> 00:21:22,960
oh long before roswell but this was 1760

641
00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:23,200
and

642
00:21:26,470 --> 00:21:24,640
the only reason we didn't talk about it

643
00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:26,480
in the film was we couldn't find the

644
00:21:29,190 --> 00:21:28,320
exact source you you hear all these

645
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:29,200
people

646
00:21:33,029 --> 00:21:31,520
citing that event but to actually find

647
00:21:35,510 --> 00:21:33,039
the source of it

648
00:21:36,710 --> 00:21:35,520
was impossible to track down so we

649
00:21:37,590 --> 00:21:36,720
didn't have enough information to really

650
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:37,600
delve into that

651
00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:39,919
ufo sighting so the next oldest one was

652
00:21:47,669 --> 00:21:41,280
in

653
00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:47,679
bridgewater

654
00:21:52,870 --> 00:21:50,480
and saw a mysterious lantern in the sky

655
00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:52,880
that was moving in ways uncommon to any

656
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:54,880
craft that was known at the time like a

657
00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:56,240
you know hot air balloon or anything

658
00:21:59,669 --> 00:21:57,280
like that

659
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:59,679
um and that's probably the next oldest

660
00:22:02,470 --> 00:22:00,720
ufo sighting

661
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:02,480
that uh gathered any kind of weight in

662
00:22:05,830 --> 00:22:04,000
the in the bridgewater triangle

663
00:22:08,549 --> 00:22:05,840
but were there like you mentioned native

664
00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:08,559
american yeah that well

665
00:22:11,830 --> 00:22:10,640
the region has a long just like any

666
00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:11,840
other region the united states has a

667
00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:14,000
long history of the indigenous peoples

668
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:14,640
before the

669
00:22:18,789 --> 00:22:17,120
the colonials arrived and the

670
00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:18,799
bridgewater triangle is no exception to

671
00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:19,120
that

672
00:22:22,390 --> 00:22:20,480
and you know there were tribes living in

673
00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:22,400
the area at the time that the settlers

674
00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:23,919
arrived it was the wampanoag the

675
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:25,600
narragansett the massachusetts the

676
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:26,640
nipmuck

677
00:22:30,789 --> 00:22:29,039
and there are a lot of native american

678
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:30,799
legends in the in the area and a lot of

679
00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:32,880
native american lore attached to regions

680
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:34,720
like the hakamak swamp

681
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:36,960
and they they saw it as a sacred place

682
00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:38,640
not necessarily a place to fear they

683
00:22:42,390 --> 00:22:40,159
used it for hunting they used it for

684
00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:42,400
trapping they used it for fishing

685
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:45,360
and when the settlers arrived in in

686
00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:47,440
plymouth

687
00:22:51,270 --> 00:22:50,000
the relations were were uneasy and by

688
00:22:54,870 --> 00:22:51,280
the time

689
00:22:57,270 --> 00:22:54,880
had passed away and eventually his son

690
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:57,280
met a comet uh became satan of the

691
00:23:00,070 --> 00:22:58,080
wampanoag

692
00:23:02,070 --> 00:23:00,080
and by the time he became sachin this

693
00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:02,080
the relationship between the wampanoag

694
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:04,000
and the native american population and

695
00:23:09,029 --> 00:23:05,760
the settlers was very strained

696
00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:09,039
and actually a war broke out in 1675

697
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:11,679
the bloodiest war in american history on

698
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:13,679
a per capita basis was king philip's war

699
00:23:16,950 --> 00:23:15,280
which was this this war that took place

700
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:16,960
king philip was the english name given

701
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:17,520
to

702
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:20,640
uh the wampanoag chief metacomet and a

703
00:23:24,789 --> 00:23:22,320
lot of the major uh

704
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:24,799
battles took place within the confines

705
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:26,159
of the bridgewater toronto now the war

706
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:28,320
spread out to massachusetts bay colony

707
00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:30,320
rhode island colony and plymouth colony

708
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:31,280
so

709
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:34,559
massachusetts

710
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:37,120
in rhode island uh in that area that was

711
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:38,640
disputed at the time like bristol rhode

712
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:40,320
island swansea massachusetts here that's

713
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:41,760
where the war started a lot of the major

714
00:23:44,549 --> 00:23:43,200
engagements took place in the towns in

715
00:23:47,909 --> 00:23:44,559
the bridgewater triangle

716
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:47,919
and a lot of researchers and enthusiasts

717
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:50,400
cite that event as the event that

718
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:51,840
sparked the negative energy of the

719
00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:53,440
bridgewater triangle and some people

720
00:23:57,029 --> 00:23:55,039
cite that as the reason that there's an

721
00:23:58,549 --> 00:23:57,039
elevated level of high strangeness in

722
00:24:00,549 --> 00:23:58,559
the area

723
00:24:01,590 --> 00:24:00,559
but we present it as a theory in the

724
00:24:03,269 --> 00:24:01,600
film but we don't

725
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:03,279
necessarily try to ram anything down

726
00:24:05,830 --> 00:24:04,559
anybody's throat in the film it's kind

727
00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:05,840
of just here's the theory that people

728
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:07,520
present this is the information you make

729
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:09,360
your own determination about it

730
00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:12,000
but there are also a lot of stories of a

731
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:14,080
native american nature that come out of

732
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:15,360
the bridgewater triangle there's a lot

733
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:16,960
of locations associated with native

734
00:24:21,510 --> 00:24:18,400
american history

735
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:21,520
as well um let's see a person's asked a

736
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:22,799
couple of times here

737
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:25,919
about uh quabbin do you know what that

738
00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:26,799
means

739
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:28,720
quabbin the reservoir out in western

740
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:30,720
massachusetts the only uh

741
00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:32,880
quabbin that i that i know that was an

742
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:34,000
eric

743
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:37,039
um okay he was also asking about

744
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:40,240
uh bigfoot sightings yeah there's been

745
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:41,600
an abundance of bigfoot sightings

746
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:43,679
especially in the hakamak swamp region

747
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:46,720
of the bridgewater triangle uh in 1970 a

748
00:24:50,710 --> 00:24:48,480
gentleman named joseph d'andrea

749
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:50,720
claimed to have seen a bigfoot at a

750
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:52,320
small pond in bridgewater called the

751
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:53,760
claybanks

752
00:24:59,110 --> 00:24:56,880
and he saw this alleged bigfoot creature

753
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:59,120
across a pond in wintertime now i've

754
00:25:02,149 --> 00:25:00,960
been to the location myself we've

755
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:02,159
interviewed we interviewed

756
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:04,640
joseph d'andrea extensively for the film

757
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:06,400
and it comes with the question

758
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:08,799
how sure he could have been about what

759
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:10,559
he saw at the distance that he saw it

760
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:12,000
from but he

761
00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:14,880
swears that he saw a sasquatch creature

762
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:16,480
at the clay banks pond

763
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:19,200
and he has only seen it once he and he's

764
00:25:21,990 --> 00:25:21,279
basically devoted his life to finding it

765
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:22,000
again

766
00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:23,760
and he's had multiple organizations

767
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:25,120
through the years that he was launching

768
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:26,960
expeditions into the hakamak swamp in

769
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:28,480
the surrounding area to try to find this

770
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:30,080
bigfoot creature

771
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:31,279
uh and there's there was another

772
00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:34,159
sighting in the early 1980s a gentleman

773
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:35,840
gentleman named john baker who was a

774
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:37,360
trapper on the swamp

775
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:39,679
had an encounter with what he described

776
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:41,279
as a bigfoot creature while

777
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:42,960
fur trapping in the hakamak swamp on his

778
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:44,480
canoe and uh

779
00:25:47,669 --> 00:25:46,320
he had been trapping in the swamp for

780
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:47,679
years and years and years and had never

781
00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:49,520
seen anything strange until he had this

782
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:50,799
encounter with this alleged creature

783
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:51,760
that night

784
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:52,960
that doesn't sound very safe in the

785
00:25:58,870 --> 00:25:55,679
canoes babies

786
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:58,880
and going back to the um i want to go

787
00:26:02,950 --> 00:26:00,799
back to the early ufo sighting

788
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:02,960
i know you said you couldn't find

789
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:04,799
anything to substantiate that but where

790
00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:05,360
did you

791
00:26:09,909 --> 00:26:08,480
hear that i can't remember right now i

792
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:09,919
can't remember off the top of my head if

793
00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:11,039
you read

794
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:13,039
a lot of the the books that have been

795
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:14,480
published about the bridgewater triangle

796
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:15,120
area

797
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:17,840
mentioned that sighting and like i said

798
00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:18,320
i i

799
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:20,240
don't know where the the actual source

800
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:22,400
is for that well you know it was kind of

801
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:22,960
like

802
00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:25,039
there was a saying about alexander the

803
00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:27,840
great seeing this big ufo sighting and

804
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:30,080
and it was all spawned from a book that

805
00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:31,520
someone just created so

806
00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:34,960
this is where myth can turn into reality

807
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:37,120
um a lot of times when someone will you

808
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:38,400
know the folklore

809
00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:40,559
that can actually turn into beliefs

810
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:41,440
absolutely

811
00:26:44,789 --> 00:26:42,799
we try to stay away from that a little

812
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:44,799
bit here on the show anyway

813
00:26:50,830 --> 00:26:47,840
so um let's talk about other

814
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:50,840
sightings besides the one and ran was it

815
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:52,080
randolph uh

816
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:53,760
that setting actually the the home plate

817
00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:55,520
[\h__\h] that was actually in in

818
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:57,679
raynham okay but there was a one in

819
00:27:02,549 --> 00:26:59,440
randolph that was noted as well

820
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:02,559
yeah uh that was just sightings of the

821
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:03,760
similar craft those

822
00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:05,440
uh sightings in randolph and in

823
00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:07,520
stoughton i don't know the details of

824
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:09,440
those sightings or who reported them

825
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:12,000
uh but it was a those towns are just

826
00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:13,360
north of the bridgewater triangle

827
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:15,200
northwest of the bridgewater triangle

828
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:16,640
and there were similar reports coming

829
00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:18,320
out of those towns in

830
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:20,480
in the spring of 1979. would you say

831
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:21,679
there was any type of what you would

832
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:22,559
call a flap

833
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:24,720
like several ufo sightings in the

834
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:26,080
general area yes yeah

835
00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:28,640
several ufo sightings of the same craft

836
00:27:31,029 --> 00:27:30,399
of the same craft over and over yeah

837
00:27:33,269 --> 00:27:31,039
that that

838
00:27:35,669 --> 00:27:33,279
home plate shaped on objects on

839
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:35,679
different days yes yeah like ron baker

840
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:37,919
claimed he saw it above a restaurant

841
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:38,720
easton

842
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:40,480
where as jerry lopes and steve sprager

843
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:42,000
claimed they saw above the

844
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:43,840
highway exit on a different day but in

845
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:45,200
that same uh

846
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:48,880
spring of 1979. so this was in 79

847
00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:50,320
and that's why the brockton enterprise

848
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:51,679
published that article with a list of

849
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:52,640
people that had all

850
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:54,960
corroborated sightings of the same craft

851
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:56,559
well it's kind of like in

852
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:59,200
belgium they had the very similar you

853
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:59,600
know

854
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:00,960
that went for a couple of years that

855
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:03,440
everybody saw really strange if

856
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:04,960
if something you know you kind of think

857
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:06,880
about something like this if

858
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:09,360
something is actually coming from

859
00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:10,399
somewhere else

860
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:12,640
let's just say let's just say another

861
00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:13,679
solar system

862
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:17,200
just for for grins um why would it be

863
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:19,200
going to the exact same place

864
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:22,080
you know i mean that doesn't make any it

865
00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:23,679
doesn't make any sense no it doesn't

866
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:24,640
make any sense

867
00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:26,159
interdimensional or something like that

868
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:28,000
would make more sense but i mean

869
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:30,000
we have no idea what these things are

870
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:31,840
that that people are seeing

871
00:28:36,149 --> 00:28:34,880
and it is intriguing and um you know a

872
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:36,159
lot of people will say

873
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:39,279
it's military craft and you know it is

874
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:41,600
possible i'm not going to say it's not

875
00:28:45,909 --> 00:28:43,520
but you know when you're talking about

876
00:28:47,669 --> 00:28:45,919
something that just can barely move it's

877
00:28:49,269 --> 00:28:47,679
if that technology could actually be

878
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:49,279
hidden from us

879
00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:52,399
um i would be very surprised well

880
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:54,159
one of the other phenomenon that people

881
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:55,760
report in the bridgewater triangle and i

882
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:56,320
don't

883
00:28:59,669 --> 00:28:57,600
lend a lot of credence to it because i

884
00:29:03,110 --> 00:28:59,679
don't think it's significant in any real

885
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:03,120
way is sightings of black helicopters

886
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:04,960
people snap pictures of them in the sky

887
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:07,039
and see them flying around and

888
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:08,640
you know i i just assume that their

889
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:11,039
military helicopters are maneuvers and

890
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:12,720
just you know they go out and practice

891
00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:13,919
moves just like any

892
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:15,360
anybody else like a fireman would

893
00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:17,120
practice dragging hoes up

894
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:19,360
stairs to a fire the military would fly

895
00:29:22,149 --> 00:29:20,799
helicopters around and maneuvers and

896
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:22,159
train their pilots so

897
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:23,919
i don't really see what the big deal is

898
00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:25,440
about these black helicopter sightings

899
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:26,480
maybe i don't

900
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:28,240
know enough about the whole paranormal

901
00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:30,640
realm and in the history of ufos and and

902
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:32,480
whatnot to know how important that is

903
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:32,960
but

904
00:29:36,149 --> 00:29:34,960
i just i we didn't even talk about them

905
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:36,159
in the film just because we

906
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:37,120
we didn't really see what the

907
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:39,120
significance of that would be but maybe

908
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:40,720
i'm wrong about that you do hear about

909
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:42,320
that an awful lot it seems

910
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:44,399
uh lee again has another question on the

911
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:45,360
message board

912
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:47,760
and he wants to know in regard to the

913
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:49,120
craft was there any

914
00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:52,000
radar cooperation at all not that i know

915
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:53,440
of uh and as a matter of fact

916
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:55,919
steve spraja had placed phone calls out

917
00:30:00,070 --> 00:29:56,640
to

918
00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:00,080
some of the local air bases i think otis

919
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:02,640
and some you know law enforcement

920
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:03,840
agencies and whatnot

921
00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:05,840
and there was no reports of any kind of

922
00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:07,760
blips on the radar regarding anything

923
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:08,000
like

924
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:10,880
that that's often the case you hear that

925
00:30:16,149 --> 00:30:12,960
too i mean people have sightings and

926
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:16,159
so let's in in the whole

927
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:19,279
um investigation that you had done this

928
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:20,159
whole time

929
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:22,559
what was the most fascinating thing that

930
00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:23,520
you found

931
00:30:28,149 --> 00:30:26,880
for yourself that story but uh the jerry

932
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:28,159
lope steve spraja

933
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:30,480
story of that craft was one of them the

934
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:31,440
other was

935
00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:33,200
a bizarre creature sighting by a

936
00:30:37,110 --> 00:30:34,880
gentleman named bill russo

937
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:37,120
that we featured in the film and he

938
00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:38,000
encountered

939
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:41,279
what he described as a three foot tall

940
00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:43,520
hair covered troll-like creature while

941
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:44,559
walking his dog

942
00:30:47,909 --> 00:30:46,480
in the town of raynham just south of the

943
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:47,919
hawker mock swamp

944
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:50,640
yeah i saw that in a rendition did he

945
00:30:54,149 --> 00:30:52,320
like have that rendition drawn up

946
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:54,159
we actually had that rendition drawn up

947
00:30:57,750 --> 00:30:55,760
by an artist we put him in direct

948
00:30:59,509 --> 00:30:57,760
contact with mr russo and basically he

949
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:59,519
worked like a police sketch artist to

950
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:00,240
draw

951
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:03,039
what he what bill russo said that he saw

952
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:03,360
and

953
00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:06,000
that that to this day that depiction of

954
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:07,519
that alleged creature is the most

955
00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:09,200
accurate representation of what bill

956
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:11,360
russo claims that he saw

957
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:13,440
there's a tv show called monsters and

958
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:15,120
mysteries in america

959
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:17,679
and it's on destination america and they

960
00:31:21,509 --> 00:31:18,559
actually

961
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:21,519
featured bill russo story in an episode

962
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:22,559
of their show

963
00:31:26,789 --> 00:31:24,159
after we had featured him in the

964
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:26,799
documentary and their

965
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:28,240
depiction of the creature is a lot

966
00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:29,840
different from what we have in our film

967
00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:30,559
and there was some

968
00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:33,039
some differences in the story and it was

969
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:34,480
kind of a sore spot for us

970
00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:36,960
with with how they kind of changed the

971
00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:38,960
details of it but you know they they did

972
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:41,360
what they did and we did what we did and

973
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:44,559
that's it now i know you can sort of say

974
00:31:47,909 --> 00:31:44,880
an

975
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:47,919
orb is a ufo because it's unidentified

976
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:49,760
and there there was quite a bit of that

977
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:51,600
going on can you talk about that

978
00:31:55,990 --> 00:31:55,120
yeah orb sightings um you have orb

979
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:56,000
sightings in

980
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:57,919
pretty much every major location within

981
00:32:01,909 --> 00:31:59,600
the bridgewater triangle you have orb

982
00:32:03,669 --> 00:32:01,919
sightings in the hakamak swamp again

983
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:03,679
behind the raynham dog track there's an

984
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:05,279
old rail bed that runs through the

985
00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:07,360
through the hawkenlock swamp uh no

986
00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:08,720
longer functioning so a lot of people

987
00:32:12,070 --> 00:32:10,399
will go hiking and walking back there

988
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:12,080
and you know walk through the swamp

989
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:14,799
so they say it's the swamp gas is one of

990
00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:15,919
the theories but

991
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:17,600
you have orb sightings in other parts of

992
00:32:20,789 --> 00:32:19,120
the bridgewater triangle that aren't

993
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:20,799
swampy locations you have a lot of orb

994
00:32:22,870 --> 00:32:22,399
sightings down in rehoboth which is like

995
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:22,880
the

996
00:32:32,070 --> 00:32:30,640
which is not a particularly swampy place

997
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:32,080
so there are swamps in the freetown

998
00:32:35,909 --> 00:32:33,360
state forest but nothing

999
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:35,919
to the size and magnitude of the hakamak

1000
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:36,799
swamp

1001
00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:38,880
so these orb sightings and you have orb

1002
00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:40,799
sightings in a location known as anawan

1003
00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:42,320
rock which is actually the

1004
00:32:45,190 --> 00:32:43,679
the place where the wampanoag

1005
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:45,200
surrendered officially surrendered

1006
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:46,960
ending king phillips war

1007
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:48,559
uh and that that's a location in

1008
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:50,960
rehoboth that has an awful lot of

1009
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:53,440
of uh spiritual and ghostly stories to

1010
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:54,559
come out of it and there's a lot of

1011
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:57,039
orb sightings there as well and then you

1012
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:59,360
have orbs in the sky we featured a

1013
00:33:02,470 --> 00:33:00,880
witness in the in the film who actually

1014
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:02,480
took some video footage of what he

1015
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:03,919
thought were some ufos

1016
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:05,200
in the skies above the bridgewater

1017
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:08,080
triangle and they were

1018
00:33:11,830 --> 00:33:10,240
these to the naked eye they looked like

1019
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:11,840
just like a floating

1020
00:33:15,269 --> 00:33:13,919
orb and he bought this video camera and

1021
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:15,279
you he zoomed in and

1022
00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:16,880
he would he claimed that you would see

1023
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:18,799
these large mother craft

1024
00:33:22,389 --> 00:33:20,159
changing different colors and then you'd

1025
00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:22,399
see smaller crafts sprout off of them

1026
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:23,600
and we feature a little bit of that

1027
00:33:28,149 --> 00:33:26,159
footage in the film but it's so

1028
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:28,159
shaky because he was zoomed in to such a

1029
00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:29,279
degree

1030
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:31,120
and you have the digital zoom feature on

1031
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:32,720
these cameras so if you zoomed in past a

1032
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:34,399
certain point you get some

1033
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:37,279
pixelization and distortion we tried to

1034
00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:38,000
steady that

1035
00:33:41,669 --> 00:33:40,159
footage in post-production but it's

1036
00:33:43,990 --> 00:33:41,679
really kind of hard to make out what

1037
00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:44,000
exactly it was that he was seeing

1038
00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:46,000
but it wasn't moving like a plane it

1039
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:47,679
wasn't moving across the sky like a

1040
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:48,960
plane it was just pretty much staying in

1041
00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:50,880
one spot which was kind of interesting

1042
00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:54,080
wow another question was there ever any

1043
00:33:57,750 --> 00:33:55,600
like electrically charged

1044
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:57,760
air after ufo sighting or mental

1045
00:34:00,870 --> 00:33:58,720
perception

1046
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:00,880
anomalies or anything like that reported

1047
00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:03,039
there is a story that we weren't able to

1048
00:34:05,830 --> 00:34:03,440
get

1049
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:05,840
any information on but it's another one

1050
00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:06,640
of those stories

1051
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:08,000
that comes out of the region just like

1052
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:10,800
the ufo sighting of 1760 that

1053
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:14,480
there was a ufo that allegedly

1054
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:17,040
flew over the top of a restaurant again

1055
00:34:21,909 --> 00:34:18,960
i think in the town of raynham

1056
00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:21,919
and it caused like a power surge in the

1057
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:23,440
restaurant the lights flashed and the

1058
00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:24,960
lights went out and the lights came back

1059
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:26,720
on and the patrons went outside the

1060
00:34:29,909 --> 00:34:28,240
restaurant to the parking lot and they

1061
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:29,919
saw like a scorched

1062
00:34:33,750 --> 00:34:32,480
pavement or scorched piece of earth

1063
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:33,760
outside the restaurant

1064
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:35,280
and there was no explanation for where

1065
00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:36,960
it came from yeah

1066
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:39,280
so what were some other stories that you

1067
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:41,280
decided not to put in and

1068
00:34:45,190 --> 00:34:43,679
basically the reason i know it can only

1069
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:45,200
make a film so long

1070
00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:47,760
and but were there some really good ones

1071
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:50,240
but you just couldn't substantiate

1072
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:54,240
not that we couldn't substantiate well

1073
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:56,240
there were if we were to cover every

1074
00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:57,920
single strange occurrence that has been

1075
00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:59,359
reported in the bridgewater triangle we

1076
00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:00,480
would have been talking about like a

1077
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:02,880
60-hour series that we would have had to

1078
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:03,760
do

1079
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:07,359
um there one of the things was

1080
00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:09,440
uh houses that are allegedly haunted

1081
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:11,119
there are haunted houses

1082
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:13,680
all across the allegedly haunted houses

1083
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:15,359
all across the country

1084
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:17,440
so is there anything special about a

1085
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:18,640
haunted house in the bridgewater

1086
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:20,240
triangle you know we can't really say

1087
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:20,560
but

1088
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:23,599
there are just so many of them that

1089
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:25,680
it's it would be almost impossible to

1090
00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:27,040
cover every single location

1091
00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:29,920
one location that would have been fun to

1092
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:31,839
cover but we just didn't have the time

1093
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:33,599
and resources to put into it

1094
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:36,000
is uh taunton state hospital which is

1095
00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:38,320
one of those you know old state hospital

1096
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:40,400
facilities that had a history of abuse

1097
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:41,920
of patients and whatnot and there's been

1098
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:43,520
all sorts of strange reports that come

1099
00:35:46,069 --> 00:35:44,160
out of there

1100
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:46,079
did you see american horror story i did

1101
00:35:49,829 --> 00:35:48,160
not i did not very much like that

1102
00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:49,839
yeah sounds like a great setting so you

1103
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:51,040
know we didn't cover taunton state

1104
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:52,400
hospital in the film

1105
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:55,440
um we didn't get into the whole lizzie

1106
00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:56,320
borden thing

1107
00:36:00,310 --> 00:35:57,680
uh we mentioned that's part of the

1108
00:36:01,910 --> 00:36:00,320
triangle fall river is on the outskirts

1109
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:01,920
of the triangle now we talk about

1110
00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:03,280
occurrences that happen in towns that

1111
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:04,960
are just outside of the triangle we you

1112
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:06,640
know mansfield for instance is a town

1113
00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:08,400
that's had some

1114
00:36:11,349 --> 00:36:09,839
strange reports attached to it but

1115
00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:11,359
technically speaking it's outside the

1116
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:12,560
borders of the triangle

1117
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:14,880
same holds true for fall river uh the

1118
00:36:17,109 --> 00:36:15,920
reason we didn't get into the lizzie

1119
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:17,119
borden thing is just because it's been

1120
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:18,640
done so many times there's

1121
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:20,320
a zillion documentaries on the lizzie

1122
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:21,839
borden case and we were trying to tread

1123
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:22,880
new ground here

1124
00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:24,640
so we mentioned it just to give

1125
00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:26,320
reference to the city of fall river but

1126
00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:27,760
we didn't like get into any

1127
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:31,040
any details of that of that case

1128
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:33,440
now did you find any people as you were

1129
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:34,400
doing this that

1130
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:37,680
you just didn't buy their story

1131
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:40,720
and you had to walk away

1132
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:43,520
we would get contacted from people via

1133
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:45,599
email or via facebook message

1134
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:47,280
and when you start running at the people

1135
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:49,040
that say i saw the bigfoot creature in

1136
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:50,880
1990 and then i saw the thunderbird in

1137
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:54,720
1994 and then i saw a ufo in 1998

1138
00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:56,640
it it comes across that they're just

1139
00:36:59,190 --> 00:36:57,920
trying to get seen

1140
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:59,200
and that there's not really any

1141
00:37:01,270 --> 00:37:00,640
legitimacy to anything that they're

1142
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:01,280
saying when you

1143
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:02,800
i just find it too too much of a

1144
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:04,480
coincidence that one person would see

1145
00:37:08,069 --> 00:37:06,640
every single phenomenon associated with

1146
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:08,079
the bridgewater triangle

1147
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:11,359
yeah yeah one size fits all for it all

1148
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:13,839
exactly yeah um all right well let's

1149
00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:14,640
talk about

1150
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:16,720
some of the other things that are

1151
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:18,000
happening and what

1152
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:19,280
what's going on there to anything

1153
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:21,280
happening there lately like since you

1154
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:23,040
actually yeah as a matter of fact and i

1155
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:24,800
and the gentleman's name escapes me but

1156
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:26,079
a bridgewater state

1157
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:29,119
college student recently took some video

1158
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:31,440
footage of a strange lights in the sky

1159
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:33,440
outside of his dorm room window

1160
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:36,720
uh it was about five to seven balls of

1161
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:38,400
light in the sky

1162
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:40,880
that were moving in like a swirling

1163
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:44,560
pattern and ascending into the sky

1164
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:46,640
of course it set off alarm bells because

1165
00:37:49,829 --> 00:37:48,000
it was in the bridgewater triangle his

1166
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:49,839
video had like seventy 000 hits on

1167
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:52,320
youtube within a matter of 48 hours

1168
00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:55,359
i mean our our teaser trailer has 15 000

1169
00:37:59,190 --> 00:37:56,640
and we thought that was a lot and then

1170
00:38:02,230 --> 00:37:59,200
this guy posts a video of an alleged ufo

1171
00:38:04,069 --> 00:38:02,240
sighting and it got 70 000 hits in 48

1172
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:04,079
hours but

1173
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:05,760
a lot of the debunkers have come out and

1174
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:07,839
said all that that was was chinese

1175
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:08,960
lanterns

1176
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:10,800
because that disney movie tangled came

1177
00:38:13,589 --> 00:38:12,720
out and had chinese lanterns in the

1178
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:13,599
movie

1179
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:15,920
and sales of chinese lanterns on the

1180
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:17,760
internet skyrocketed after that film

1181
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:18,000
came

1182
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:19,920
out and there's been a lot of reports of

1183
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:22,800
ufos being confused with these or

1184
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:25,359
chinese lanterns being confused as ufos

1185
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:26,800
yeah it's a pet peeve

1186
00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:28,160
yeah yeah it's not going to get any

1187
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:31,119
better either and they're illegal

1188
00:38:35,109 --> 00:38:32,800
in a lot of places and rightly so i mean

1189
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:35,119
they can start fires pretty easily

1190
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:37,040
yeah i i yeah i looked at the footage

1191
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:38,560
and i you know i've been one of the

1192
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:39,520
people that would probably say yeah it

1193
00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:41,359
was just it wasn't anything significant

1194
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:42,800
it was just chinese lanterns but there's

1195
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:44,480
people that

1196
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:46,240
want to believe everything that comes

1197
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:47,680
out of the bridgewater triangle

1198
00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:49,200
and no matter how outlandish or

1199
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:51,040
ridiculous it is they will tie it into

1200
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:52,240
the bridgewater triangle

1201
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:54,400
so how far is amherst outside of the

1202
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:56,640
triangle amherst is way out in western

1203
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:57,839
massachusetts so it's

1204
00:39:00,870 --> 00:38:59,359
hundreds of because i've heard of i've

1205
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:00,880
heard some weird stuff out there too

1206
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:03,040
yeah i i haven't i didn't do much

1207
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:04,480
research outside of the bridgewater

1208
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:05,920
triangle region for this

1209
00:39:12,630 --> 00:39:09,440
bridgewater circle it just keeps

1210
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:12,640
water blob yeah yeah um someone wants to

1211
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:13,280
know in the

1212
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:14,960
chat room and i don't know what this

1213
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:16,640
means but maybe you do

1214
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:18,160
can you explain about the devil's

1215
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:20,640
footprint the devil's footprint i

1216
00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:21,920
believe is in

1217
00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:24,640
northern massachusetts and it's just a

1218
00:39:28,390 --> 00:39:25,359
rock

1219
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:28,400
that has a footprint on i believe i i

1220
00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:29,040
don't know much

1221
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:30,640
we didn't cover the devil's footprint in

1222
00:39:33,910 --> 00:39:32,480
the film all right i'm not gonna listen

1223
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:33,920
to this guy anymore eric

1224
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:37,040
all right so speaking of rocks now

1225
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:38,800
there's some strange rocks

1226
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:40,960
there's an abundance of strange rocks

1227
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:42,240
within the borders of the bridgewater

1228
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:42,880
triangle

1229
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:44,880
there's ones that look like faces and

1230
00:39:47,589 --> 00:39:46,800
then yeah written on wrong we'll start

1231
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:47,599
with the most

1232
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:50,079
uh well-known it's a it's a a large

1233
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:51,920
trapezoid-shaped boulder

1234
00:39:55,349 --> 00:39:53,839
in berkeley massachusetts called diet

1235
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:55,359
and rock now titan's the town next to

1236
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:56,000
berkeley but

1237
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:58,079
dieting rocks in in berkeley i don't

1238
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:00,079
know why it's that way but it is

1239
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:03,119
well this glacier moved it slowly no who

1240
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:03,839
knows

1241
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:06,079
it was actually a large trapezoidal

1242
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:07,760
boulder that was in the taunton river

1243
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:08,960
sticking up out of the water in the

1244
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:10,560
taunton river and has a large flat

1245
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:13,760
face on it that has all these bizarre uh

1246
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:16,880
inscriptions on it and it's

1247
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:18,960
puzzled archaeologists for hundreds of

1248
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:20,640
years as to where these inscriptions

1249
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:21,760
came from

1250
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:23,760
and to preserve the rock they actually

1251
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:25,440
pulled it out of the taunton river put

1252
00:40:29,349 --> 00:40:26,960
it on the banks of the taunton river in

1253
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:29,359
berkeley and built a museum around it

1254
00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:30,960
it's it now it's called dayton rock

1255
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:33,040
state park and you can go visit and go

1256
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:34,000
into this museum

1257
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:36,240
and they have the rock in the back of

1258
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:37,680
the museum and in the front museum they

1259
00:40:40,390 --> 00:40:38,000
have

1260
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:40,400
this all these walls covered with the

1261
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:42,000
different theories as to who was

1262
00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:44,079
responsible for these petroglyphs

1263
00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:45,920
there's a native american theory there's

1264
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:47,760
a portuguese explorer theory there's a

1265
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:49,520
viking theory there's a phoenician

1266
00:40:51,829 --> 00:40:50,160
theory

1267
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:51,839
those are the main theories but then you

1268
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:53,760
know if you research online you got

1269
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:54,640
people that

1270
00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:56,400
attribute it to extraterrestrials or you

1271
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:58,000
got people that uh

1272
00:41:01,829 --> 00:41:00,240
attribute it to chinese explorers so

1273
00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:01,839
there's there's for every theory that

1274
00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:03,359
you see on the wall in this museum

1275
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:04,960
there's 10 other theories that aren't

1276
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:06,400
prominent enough to be featured in the

1277
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:08,800
museum what is the strongest theory of

1278
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:09,760
what that is

1279
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:11,760
uh from the researchers that we talked

1280
00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:14,480
to uh

1281
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:15,920
uh inscriptions of a native american

1282
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:17,920
origin of origin are probably the most

1283
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:20,000
is probably the strongest case i mean

1284
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:21,440
there's such a high portuguese

1285
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:22,800
population down in southeastern

1286
00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:24,240
massachusetts it's the high it's the

1287
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:25,599
most densely

1288
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:28,480
portuguese populated area in the country

1289
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:29,040
so

1290
00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:30,480
most of the people down there will say

1291
00:41:34,309 --> 00:41:32,240
oh it's definitely miguel cortrail in

1292
00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:34,319
1511 he inscribed on that rock and

1293
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:36,319
that's where all that stuff came from

1294
00:41:39,990 --> 00:41:37,839
but if you look at some of the other

1295
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:40,000
inscriptions on the rock i mean they'll

1296
00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:42,160
take part of a shape of an inscription

1297
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:44,560
and say that that's the five of the one

1298
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:47,200
and everything is so what i mean the

1299
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:48,800
thing was sitting in water for so long

1300
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:50,240
that a lot of the inscriptions are

1301
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:53,440
been have been heavily eroded so to say

1302
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:54,960
that it's portuguese explorers is just

1303
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:56,480
kind of convenient for the population

1304
00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:58,319
that lives down there i think

1305
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,400
i i tend to gravitate towards native

1306
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:02,400
american origins origins and there's a

1307
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:03,599
gentleman we feature in the film named

1308
00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:05,599
derek gunn who's done a lot of research

1309
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:08,720
in local uh archaeological arc

1310
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:11,520
geological and archaeological oddities

1311
00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:12,000
and

1312
00:42:17,349 --> 00:42:15,119
he pointed to a rock inscription up in

1313
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:17,359
vermont that has these faces carved on

1314
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:19,119
these circular faces that have been uh

1315
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:20,640
associated with native american

1316
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:21,520
petroglyphs

1317
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:24,560
and you can see some similar faces on

1318
00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:26,240
diet and rock we actually feature that

1319
00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:27,280
in the film

1320
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:28,960
and then there's the theory that it was

1321
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:30,720
a billboard and that

1322
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:32,720
everybody who passed by inscribed on it

1323
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:34,640
just like kids nowadays they go make out

1324
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:36,640
at the state forest and carve you know

1325
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:38,960
johnny loves genie on a tree it kind of

1326
00:42:41,589 --> 00:42:40,560
looks like that the way it's so busy

1327
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:41,599
it's kind of a

1328
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:45,200
a smorgasbord of uh inscriptions

1329
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:47,839
yeah now i know this is a ufo show and

1330
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:48,800
we're talking about

1331
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:51,200
all different types of topics but um

1332
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:52,640
there's only so much we can talk about

1333
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:53,760
in the ufos

1334
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:56,400
in the area there but um what about the

1335
00:43:02,390 --> 00:42:56,880
the

1336
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:02,400
ranch

1337
00:43:07,589 --> 00:43:06,079
um in nevada that has all these things

1338
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:07,599
happening in the same place

1339
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:09,680
so what about the end the big beasts and

1340
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:11,680
the thunderbirds and all that what

1341
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:13,440
where do they where do those stories

1342
00:43:17,230 --> 00:43:15,280
come from as i mentioned before

1343
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:17,240
a lot most the majority of the

1344
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:18,480
cryptozoological

1345
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:21,040
stories come from the hakamak swamp

1346
00:43:23,349 --> 00:43:21,760
region the

1347
00:43:24,790 --> 00:43:23,359
in the town surrounding the hakamak

1348
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:24,800
swamp now you had a

1349
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:26,480
laundry list of bigfoot sightings we

1350
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:28,319
actually the first story that we

1351
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:29,200
mentioned

1352
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:32,560
um was that back in 1970

1353
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:34,400
you had a joint coalition of local and

1354
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:35,839
state police and they were

1355
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:38,880
allegedly tracking down a bear now the

1356
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:40,160
interesting thing about that is we

1357
00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:41,520
haven't had black bear

1358
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:44,000
in southeastern massachusetts for close

1359
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:45,599
to a century probably

1360
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:47,280
uh they were kind of eradicated from the

1361
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:48,720
region and so they

1362
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:50,160
claimed that they were hunting this bear

1363
00:43:53,109 --> 00:43:51,760
in the region at the time

1364
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:53,119
and there's a story that a police

1365
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:55,200
officer was sitting in his cruiser

1366
00:43:58,870 --> 00:43:57,680
uh and the rear end of his cruiser got

1367
00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:58,880
picked up

1368
00:44:02,309 --> 00:44:00,560
and he kind of spun his spotlight around

1369
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:02,319
and shined it on what he described as

1370
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:04,480
something that was walking on two feet

1371
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:06,000
and then it kind of disappeared into the

1372
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:06,880
forest

1373
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:08,400
and the interesting thing about that is

1374
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:10,240
we never were able to track down who

1375
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:12,000
that police officer was i mean it was

1376
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:14,160
back in 1970 but his daughter

1377
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:15,760
actually ended up showing up at one of

1378
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:18,240
our screenings and she says my father

1379
00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:20,000
swears that that was a big foot creature

1380
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:21,680
not a bear wow

1381
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:23,599
so bears not going to pick something up

1382
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:25,760
yeah pick up the it pick up the rear end

1383
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:27,119
of a police cruiser actually off the

1384
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:29,200
ground and then drop it back down

1385
00:44:32,950 --> 00:44:31,440
so there was that sighting you had we

1386
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:32,960
had a gentleman named carlston wood that

1387
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:34,319
we featured in the film that claims that

1388
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:36,640
he saw a large hair covered man

1389
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:38,240
while playing in the hockey mock swamp

1390
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:39,359
in the winter time with a bunch of

1391
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:39,760
friends

1392
00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:41,200
because the swamp would freeze so they'd

1393
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:42,880
go exploring into the swamp as far as

1394
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:43,920
they could go

1395
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:45,839
they claim they saw this large fur

1396
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:47,520
covered creature joseph d'andrea

1397
00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:50,400
sighting john baker sighting um and then

1398
00:44:55,030 --> 00:44:52,720
you have a lot of other

1399
00:44:56,309 --> 00:44:55,040
whispers of bigfoot encounters in the

1400
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:56,319
hawkmock swamps some of them are that

1401
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:57,839
are more difficult to substantiate you

1402
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:58,560
know it's always like

1403
00:45:01,990 --> 00:45:00,400
my cousin's best friend's roommates saw

1404
00:45:02,790 --> 00:45:02,000
this the creature so we tried to stay

1405
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:02,800
away from that

1406
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:04,319
we tried to get as many first-hand

1407
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:06,000
eyewitness accounts as possible then

1408
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:07,520
there's bill russo's cr

1409
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:09,280
sighting which we mentioned which some

1410
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:10,800
people might say maybe that was a

1411
00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:13,839
a baby bigfoot that he saw who knows uh

1412
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:15,119
but then you have the thunderbird

1413
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:15,920
sightings uh

1414
00:45:20,790 --> 00:45:19,119
large winged creatures uh that are tied

1415
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:20,800
into native american folklore

1416
00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:23,680
uh you had in 1970 you had a norton

1417
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:24,319
police

1418
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:26,880
sergeant named thomas downey who was

1419
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:28,480
actually driving his car in the nearby

1420
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:30,240
town of mansfield which is actually just

1421
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:31,280
west of the

1422
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:33,040
bridgewater triangle and he was driving

1423
00:45:37,270 --> 00:45:35,200
along winter street

1424
00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:37,280
and he claimed he saw this massive

1425
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:39,440
creature with a 12-foot wingspan

1426
00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:41,040
fly directly up into the sky and

1427
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:43,599
disappear above his his cruiser

1428
00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:46,560
and he's been approached dozens of times

1429
00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:48,400
for interviews about what he saw and he

1430
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:50,079
never will grant an interview he'll say

1431
00:45:53,670 --> 00:45:52,079
that he sticks by his story but he's not

1432
00:45:54,069 --> 00:45:53,680
looking to tell his story in any way and

1433
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:54,079
he

1434
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:57,359
reported it well you know

1435
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:58,800
that gives a lot of credibility in my

1436
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:01,440
book it's the people that either

1437
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:03,119
don't don't want to talk about it or

1438
00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:04,720
people that wait a long time to talk

1439
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:06,880
about their stories those ones that like

1440
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:08,480
i hate to keep going back to bill russo

1441
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:10,319
but he had his accret

1442
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:14,160
alleged sighting in 1990 and he waited

1443
00:46:17,589 --> 00:46:16,000
20 years to finally tell a story he

1444
00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:17,599
waited till he was retired he didn't

1445
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:19,119
want to face any ridicule

1446
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:20,960
so he wrote about his encounter on his

1447
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:23,200
blog which then we found and we were the

1448
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:24,640
first ones to give him an on-camera

1449
00:46:27,670 --> 00:46:26,160
interview about what he saw but

1450
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:27,680
you know he sat on that story for a

1451
00:46:29,589 --> 00:46:29,040
really really long time before he

1452
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:29,599
finally

1453
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:31,680
uh went public with it did you get a lot

1454
00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:34,319
of your information from the internet

1455
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:36,880
when you were researching this film some

1456
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:37,839
uh

1457
00:46:41,910 --> 00:46:40,079
some was from the internet some was from

1458
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:41,920
lauren coleman's book mysterious america

1459
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:43,839
which was the first publication to bring

1460
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:46,000
the bridgewater triangle to a national

1461
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:48,960
uh audience or national readership i

1462
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:49,760
should say

1463
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:51,680
so we we tracked down some of the

1464
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:53,920
stories that he mentioned in his book

1465
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:56,160
and some of the other stories were

1466
00:46:59,589 --> 00:46:57,359
relayed to us from other

1467
00:47:00,550 --> 00:46:59,599
uh experts that we that we feature in

1468
00:47:02,230 --> 00:47:00,560
the film

1469
00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:02,240
and some of the eyewitnesses were just

1470
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:04,000
contacts that we had made

1471
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:05,599
from some of the people that were in the

1472
00:47:08,230 --> 00:47:06,800
film say you know you should talk to

1473
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:08,240
this guy you should talk to this this

1474
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:09,119
woman

1475
00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:11,119
um so that's really how we found a lot

1476
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:14,000
of our of our eyewitnesses

1477
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:16,400
there's another question on the message

1478
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:17,119
board

1479
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:18,960
and while filming for the documentary

1480
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:21,359
were any readings attempted did you try

1481
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:22,240
to get any

1482
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:24,079
readings for like magnetic radio

1483
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:25,359
frequencies

1484
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:26,880
like the skin walker ranch i mentioned

1485
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:30,640
before no um if you see our film

1486
00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:32,480
people think paranormal documentary and

1487
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:34,079
they think you know people

1488
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:36,160
trekking for the woods with cameras and

1489
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:38,400
infrared sensors and all that stuff

1490
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:39,920
this was not really a boots on the

1491
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:41,440
ground documentary this was more of a

1492
00:47:44,549 --> 00:47:42,960
historical look at the region

1493
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:44,559
so we didn't do any active yeah we

1494
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:46,160
didn't do any active investigating

1495
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:47,760
really there's a little hint of that

1496
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:49,680
here and there we did have one

1497
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:51,520
bizarre incident that occurred while

1498
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:52,800
shooting an interview in the freetown

1499
00:47:56,470 --> 00:47:54,800
state forest but for the most part we

1500
00:47:57,990 --> 00:47:56,480
didn't do a lot of boots on the ground

1501
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:58,000
well we got to hear that bizarre

1502
00:48:02,069 --> 00:47:59,920
incident what happened well we were

1503
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:02,079
interviewing christopher bolzano

1504
00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:05,440
in the freetown state forest after he

1505
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:07,599
had given a tour now you see snippets of

1506
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:08,000
his

1507
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:09,520
tour that he was giving in the freetown

1508
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:11,520
state forest throughout the film

1509
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:14,000
and we were he had locked his keys in

1510
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:15,119
his car

1511
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:16,480
and this interview was never supposed to

1512
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:17,680
happen because he was supposed to go do

1513
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:19,520
a book signing in the next town over

1514
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:20,960
but he locked his keys in the car so we

1515
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:22,400
were waiting for triple a for a couple

1516
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:23,920
hours to come let him in

1517
00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:26,000
so i had my camera and said hey since

1518
00:48:28,630 --> 00:48:27,359
we're just sitting around can i do an

1519
00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:28,640
interview with you and he's like

1520
00:48:31,589 --> 00:48:30,160
absolutely sure so we

1521
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:31,599
we there was another gentleman there

1522
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:33,119
that had this like battery operated

1523
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:33,520
light

1524
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:37,359
interview because by then it was doc

1525
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:38,800
so we're we were interviewing chris

1526
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:41,280
balzano and that the subject of

1527
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:44,160
the wampum belt that belonged to king

1528
00:48:48,309 --> 00:48:45,599
phillip or metacom

1529
00:48:49,750 --> 00:48:48,319
came up in in the interview and chris

1530
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:49,760
was talking about how

1531
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:52,319
this womp belt philip was sensing that

1532
00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:53,520
the wall was going to end

1533
00:48:57,670 --> 00:48:54,880
and that he was going to be facing his

1534
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:57,680
demise so he handed the belt off to his

1535
00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:58,480
war chief

1536
00:49:02,790 --> 00:49:00,960
anawan now king philip was killed in

1537
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:02,800
august of 1676

1538
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:04,319
but by the time he was killed he no

1539
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:05,760
longer had the wampum belt on him he had

1540
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:06,960
given it to anawan

1541
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:08,720
the war continued for a short period of

1542
00:49:12,069 --> 00:49:10,319
time maybe a couple of weeks

1543
00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:12,079
and anawan and the last remaining band

1544
00:49:16,549 --> 00:49:13,680
of wampanoag warriors were tracked down

1545
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:16,559
to this location in rehoboth called

1546
00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:18,240
anawan rock which is where that

1547
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:21,359
official end to the war occurred and

1548
00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:22,880
when anawan surrendered he

1549
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:24,800
presented the belt as a symbol of his

1550
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:26,640
surrender to captain benjamin church who

1551
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:28,319
was the colonial authority that he had

1552
00:49:31,829 --> 00:49:31,040
surrendered to and the belt has since

1553
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:31,839
gone missing

1554
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:33,280
from history nobody knows what has

1555
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:34,480
happened to this wampum belt there's a

1556
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:35,760
lot of people that think that it's in a

1557
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:36,240
box

1558
00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:38,000
on a shelf and a museum in england which

1559
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:39,760
is a very strong possibility

1560
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:41,520
but chris balzano was talking about the

1561
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:43,200
swamp and belt in its association with

1562
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:44,800
the bridgewater triangle and how there's

1563
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:46,079
a lot of people that think that

1564
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:48,960
the strange ghostly happenings at aniwan

1565
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:49,359
rock

1566
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:50,800
and the strange happenings in the

1567
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:52,400
bridgewater triangle will continue to

1568
00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:53,920
happen until the wampum belt has

1569
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:55,599
returned to the wampanoag people

1570
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:57,520
now when he was talking about this the

1571
00:50:01,910 --> 00:49:58,720
light that we had

1572
00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:01,920
had just shut off and we got everything

1573
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:03,119
back up and running

1574
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:04,400
and there was another gentleman off

1575
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:05,760
camera that said hey chris you realize

1576
00:50:09,030 --> 00:50:07,119
that when you were talking about the

1577
00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:09,040
womp and belt the lights shut off

1578
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:11,040
and chris was kind of styling everybody

1579
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:12,240
kind of chuckled

1580
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:14,880
and as a joke he turned to the can

1581
00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:16,319
turned like to the side as if he's

1582
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:19,200
talking to the spirits and he said

1583
00:50:23,109 --> 00:50:21,359
we hear your message if i could i would

1584
00:50:25,030 --> 00:50:23,119
return it and right as he said that the

1585
00:50:27,270 --> 00:50:25,040
light shut off again for a second time

1586
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:27,280
it was the most perfectly timed

1587
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:28,640
occurrence now

1588
00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:30,880
being a skeptic i still you know maybe

1589
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:32,079
it's just a really really strange

1590
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:33,520
coincidence but

1591
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:35,680
you know even me i mean being out in the

1592
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:37,200
middle of the freetown state forest in

1593
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:38,880
the dark and that happening really made

1594
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:40,480
the hair on my arms in the back of my

1595
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:41,280
neck stand up

1596
00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:43,040
it was really interesting yeah it sounds

1597
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:44,800
like that forest they say that

1598
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:46,160
anyone that walks through it kind of

1599
00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:48,000
gets a creepy feeling well

1600
00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:51,200
yeah and we're pretty proud of that

1601
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:53,440
moment because there's a lot of

1602
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:55,200
paranormal apparent the paranormal is a

1603
00:50:59,190 --> 00:50:57,280
very hot topic in today's society every

1604
00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:59,200
major cable network has a show about

1605
00:51:01,990 --> 00:51:01,119
ghost hunting or ufos or bigfoot or

1606
00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:02,000
whatever

1607
00:51:07,270 --> 00:51:05,599
and a lot of them will fake evidence and

1608
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:07,280
make a big deal out of nothing and a lot

1609
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:09,359
of them will spend years shooting these

1610
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:11,040
shows and never have something happen

1611
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:12,480
like what happened to us out in the

1612
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:13,760
freetown state force with the lights

1613
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:15,200
shutting off like that was just

1614
00:51:20,069 --> 00:51:18,720
one one in a million thing and it's it's

1615
00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:20,079
it comes up in the film a lot of people

1616
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:21,760
think it was an edit mistake because the

1617
00:51:25,109 --> 00:51:23,599
film's pretty smoothly edited up to that

1618
00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:25,119
point and then all of a sudden like

1619
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:27,280
he stops talking kind of looks up the

1620
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:29,200
light shut off lights come back on and

1621
00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:30,240
the lights shut off again

1622
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:31,760
i saw that oh by the way i should say

1623
00:51:33,990 --> 00:51:33,599
that i saw the movie and thank you for

1624
00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:34,000
sending

1625
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:36,640
no problem yes and before i forget i

1626
00:51:39,270 --> 00:51:37,920
don't want to forget this where are some

1627
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:39,280
going to find the movie

1628
00:51:42,549 --> 00:51:40,880
well right now it's just like any other

1629
00:51:44,790 --> 00:51:42,559
movie we're doing you know

1630
00:51:46,230 --> 00:51:44,800
in-person theatrical screenings we've

1631
00:51:48,069 --> 00:51:46,240
had a series of screenings down in

1632
00:51:50,230 --> 00:51:48,079
southeastern massachusetts since the

1633
00:51:52,309 --> 00:51:50,240
premiere in october on october 20th

1634
00:51:54,309 --> 00:51:52,319
so right now the only way to see it

1635
00:51:55,349 --> 00:51:54,319
other than an in-person screening is we

1636
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:55,359
occasionally will have

1637
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:57,599
live streaming shows of the bridgewater

1638
00:52:01,349 --> 00:51:59,280
trial if you go to our website

1639
00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:01,359
the bridgewater triangle documentary.com

1640
00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:03,440
click on upcoming screenings you can see

1641
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:05,520
when those live shows are scheduled and

1642
00:52:08,549 --> 00:52:07,520
basically you log on you sign up for a

1643
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:08,559
ustream

1644
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:10,880
uh live stream you do pay-per-view it's

1645
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:12,079
you pay a small

1646
00:52:16,630 --> 00:52:13,920
sum of money to be able to watch the

1647
00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:16,640
film streamed at a specific time like a

1648
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:19,760
live pay-per-view event

1649
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:21,920
i see and was this a like sort of a

1650
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:23,119
crowd source uh

1651
00:52:26,950 --> 00:52:25,839
to get this thing together um you know i

1652
00:52:28,950 --> 00:52:26,960
mean did you have

1653
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:28,960
people source you to put this movie

1654
00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:31,440
together this was completely funded

1655
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:33,040
out of the pocket of the filmmakers we

1656
00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:34,800
didn't rely on any outside funding we

1657
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:35,680
didn't rely on

1658
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:38,800
any outside help really i mean the only

1659
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:40,240
things that we do

1660
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:41,680
i'm a video production specialist by

1661
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:43,760
trade that's how i make my living

1662
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:45,119
so there weren't a lot of things that we

1663
00:52:48,150 --> 00:52:46,640
needed to outsource for this film the

1664
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:48,160
only two things that we outsourced

1665
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:50,160
were the musical score we purchased

1666
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:52,480
royalty uh stock royalty free music for

1667
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:53,520
the for the musical score because i'm

1668
00:52:56,950 --> 00:52:54,880
not a composer

1669
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:56,960
and the off-screen narrator was a

1670
00:53:00,309 --> 00:52:58,880
gentleman named john horgan who provided

1671
00:53:02,549 --> 00:53:00,319
that but everything else

1672
00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:02,559
you see on the screen we did in-house

1673
00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:04,079
yeah except for the uh we had some

1674
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:06,480
artists do some renditions of things but

1675
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:08,160
you know we did all the shooting all the

1676
00:53:11,829 --> 00:53:09,920
editing sound design

1677
00:53:13,750 --> 00:53:11,839
you name it we did it now has this

1678
00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:13,760
sparked any further interest in doing

1679
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:15,680
something else similar

1680
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:17,040
i'm not opposed to doing another

1681
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:19,200
paranormal documentary um

1682
00:53:22,710 --> 00:53:20,720
you know there's already whispers of

1683
00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:22,720
let's try to do a series you know

1684
00:53:25,829 --> 00:53:24,000
people say why don't you do a series on

1685
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:25,839
the bridgewater triangle and you know to

1686
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:27,839
make try to get a television pilot off

1687
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:29,680
the ground or whatever

1688
00:53:32,950 --> 00:53:31,760
but i have some other topics that i'd

1689
00:53:35,430 --> 00:53:32,960
like to tackle

1690
00:53:36,390 --> 00:53:35,440
maybe uh i'm very interested in a case

1691
00:53:39,190 --> 00:53:36,400
that happened

1692
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:39,200
in in between new bedford and farva back

1693
00:53:41,750 --> 00:53:40,480
in the late 80s there was a string of

1694
00:53:44,549 --> 00:53:41,760
murders that happened

1695
00:53:46,150 --> 00:53:44,559
along the highways they found nine dead

1696
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:46,160
prostitutes

1697
00:53:49,589 --> 00:53:47,680
and two women went missing that were

1698
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:49,599
never found and it was basically a

1699
00:53:52,950 --> 00:53:51,520
serial killer that was terrorizing the

1700
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:52,960
prostitute population between new

1701
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:54,240
bedford and fall river

1702
00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:56,480
and the case was never solved and it's a

1703
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:57,760
pretty famous case

1704
00:54:01,510 --> 00:53:59,599
and it's got a lot of similarities to

1705
00:54:03,430 --> 00:54:01,520
the to the green river slangs

1706
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:03,440
um but you know i would love to do a

1707
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:04,559
documentary on the highway

1708
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:06,640
highway murders so i i like i said i'm

1709
00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:07,920
not opposed to another documentary on

1710
00:54:10,710 --> 00:54:09,280
the bridgewater triangle but what i want

1711
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:10,720
to do right now i don't know

1712
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:12,960
you know there's an eric that wants to

1713
00:54:15,670 --> 00:54:13,839
know if you

1714
00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:15,680
ever plan to do a screening in western

1715
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:18,559
mass well if anybody

1716
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:20,720
wants to see the film and wants to see

1717
00:54:24,549 --> 00:54:22,720
it in person and knows of a venue that

1718
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:24,559
might be willing to host it we'd love to

1719
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:25,359
talk to them

1720
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:26,880
uh we've been working with a lot of

1721
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:28,559
independent theaters and independent

1722
00:54:32,309 --> 00:54:31,680
uh venues that are interested in

1723
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:32,319
screening it

1724
00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:34,720
so if if you know the thing is if you

1725
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:36,160
get a bunch of people that all want to

1726
00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:37,680
see the same thing and call a theater

1727
00:54:40,470 --> 00:54:39,040
and say we want you to

1728
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:40,480
pick up the bridgewater triangle that's

1729
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:41,920
probably the best way to to see it out

1730
00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:43,680
in western mass

1731
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:46,160
you know some venues have been more

1732
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:47,520
receptive to it than others i think

1733
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:49,520
we're coming into this as a relative

1734
00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:51,280
unknown you know people don't know us

1735
00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:52,720
they we have no

1736
00:54:56,789 --> 00:54:55,200
you know other films to to to say we did

1737
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:56,799
this film now we're doing this one you

1738
00:54:59,829 --> 00:54:57,599
know

1739
00:55:01,109 --> 00:54:59,839
show us at your theater um but there's

1740
00:55:02,789 --> 00:55:01,119
been some theaters like the alley

1741
00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:02,799
theater in middlebury massachusetts that

1742
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:03,280
has

1743
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:05,440
we're on our 10th showing there and all

1744
00:55:09,430 --> 00:55:06,720
of them have been sellouts

1745
00:55:11,109 --> 00:55:09,440
so i mean we've sold out probably 80 of

1746
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:11,119
the shows that we've done so far

1747
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:13,200
wow that's that's awesome and what was

1748
00:55:18,630 --> 00:55:15,359
your favorite part of this

1749
00:55:19,910 --> 00:55:18,640
whole thing favorite part

1750
00:55:23,589 --> 00:55:19,920
you mean in terms of the subjects that

1751
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:26,150
i like the last half hour of the film

1752
00:55:28,870 --> 00:55:27,680
which deals with the freetown state

1753
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:28,880
forest

1754
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:32,160
because that is uh we talk about the

1755
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:33,119
criminal element

1756
00:55:36,549 --> 00:55:35,440
yeah we didn't talk about the satanism

1757
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:36,559
yeah

1758
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:40,319
sure um but that's my favorite part of

1759
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:41,760
the film only because

1760
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:44,400
there's a lot of evidence to support it

1761
00:55:47,109 --> 00:55:46,160
and as a person who's a skeptic and

1762
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:47,119
scientifically

1763
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:49,680
minded i like things that can be proven

1764
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:51,359
so that and it just that

1765
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:53,280
section of the film i think is the

1766
00:55:56,549 --> 00:55:55,200
creepiest and if you shut the lights off

1767
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:56,559
and watch it alone in the dark that's

1768
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:57,839
the part that's going to give you a real

1769
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:58,960
chill

1770
00:56:02,150 --> 00:56:00,720
there were people that did mutilations

1771
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:02,160
and there were some murders too

1772
00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:05,119
yeah um there was back in the 70s 80s

1773
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:06,960
and into the 90s there was a lot of

1774
00:56:09,910 --> 00:56:07,599
evidence

1775
00:56:11,349 --> 00:56:09,920
of ritual sacrifice that was uncovered

1776
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:11,359
in the freetown state forest and then

1777
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:12,640
that ties back to the whole

1778
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:15,359
negative energy of that location i mean

1779
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:16,880
ritual sacrifice isn't

1780
00:56:19,990 --> 00:56:19,520
necessarily paranormal in in and of

1781
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:20,000
itself

1782
00:56:23,829 --> 00:56:21,920
but people tie it into the whole concept

1783
00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:23,839
of this bridgewater triangle

1784
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:27,920
and they were never able to actually

1785
00:56:31,349 --> 00:56:30,000
pin that activity on anybody and you

1786
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:31,359
start treading into

1787
00:56:34,470 --> 00:56:33,280
you know freedom of religion but then

1788
00:56:36,549 --> 00:56:34,480
you're talking about

1789
00:56:38,789 --> 00:56:36,559
cruelty to animals but there were you

1790
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:38,799
know at one point you would find

1791
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:40,480
pentagrams on the ground with like a

1792
00:56:43,349 --> 00:56:42,000
dead seagull or a dead pigeon in the

1793
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:43,359
middle and then it progressed to

1794
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:44,640
eventually finding

1795
00:56:48,630 --> 00:56:46,559
a dozen baby calves butchered in a

1796
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:48,640
remote section of the freetown state

1797
00:56:50,950 --> 00:56:49,440
forest

1798
00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:50,960
yeah so there were there was a lot of

1799
00:56:54,470 --> 00:56:52,720
those like not

1800
00:56:56,390 --> 00:56:54,480
when you think of cattle mutilations you

1801
00:56:57,990 --> 00:56:56,400
know there did any of them did they

1802
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:58,000
drain the blood from them yeah there

1803
00:57:02,870 --> 00:56:59,760
were two instances of cattle

1804
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:02,880
totally absent of blood uh a dozen baby

1805
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:03,839
calves and then

1806
00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:06,960
later uh before that i'm not sure uh

1807
00:57:10,630 --> 00:57:09,680
a full skeletal adult cow was found in

1808
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:10,640
the same spot

1809
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:12,480
and there was a bunker yeah there was an

1810
00:57:16,950 --> 00:57:13,760
underground bunker with

1811
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:16,960
a lot of evidence of uh satanic rituals

1812
00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:19,920
uh taking place there that was found in

1813
00:57:23,349 --> 00:57:21,680
a remote section of the woods and if you

1814
00:57:24,309 --> 00:57:23,359
hadn't walked at it from a certain angle

1815
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:24,319
you wouldn't even have known it was

1816
00:57:26,230 --> 00:57:25,680
there but you went down and they had

1817
00:57:27,829 --> 00:57:26,240
like

1818
00:57:29,589 --> 00:57:27,839
children's clothing these miniature

1819
00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:29,599
chairs with bindings on them and things

1820
00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:31,520
like that some really creepy stuff

1821
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:33,839
wow well that's it that's really

1822
00:57:36,549 --> 00:57:34,720
something so

1823
00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:36,559
your website one more time the

1824
00:57:40,630 --> 00:57:39,119
bridgewater triangle documentary.com

1825
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:40,640
well that's great well hey i want to

1826
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:42,480
thank you so much for you drove like an

1827
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:43,920
hour and a half and you got to go home

1828
00:57:46,870 --> 00:57:44,640
tonight too

1829
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:46,880
so thank you very much for having me you

1830
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:48,000
bet

1831
00:57:51,670 --> 00:57:49,760
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1832
00:57:53,109 --> 00:57:51,680
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1833
00:57:54,870 --> 00:57:53,119
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1834
00:57:58,870 --> 00:57:54,880
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1835
00:58:01,910 --> 00:57:58,880
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1836
00:58:03,109 --> 00:58:01,920
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1837
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:03,119
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1838
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:04,720
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1839
00:58:07,349 --> 00:58:06,640
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1840
00:58:09,270 --> 00:58:07,359
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1841
00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:09,280
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1842
00:58:12,309 --> 00:58:11,440
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1843
00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:12,319
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1844
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:14,960
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1845
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1846
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1847
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1848
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1849
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1850
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1851
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:28,240
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1852
00:58:32,309 --> 00:58:30,480
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1853
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1854
00:58:36,069 --> 00:58:34,799
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1855
00:58:38,190 --> 00:58:36,079
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1856
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1857
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1858
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